I refuse to live in a torture state...

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and am not about to be silent about this story coming out of the NYTimes:

Charges Seen as Unlikely for Lawyers Over Interrogations

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"Regarding the draft report that Yoo and Bybee should not be prosecuted, a comment.  This report is consistent with the approach that President Obama (and Pelosi before him) has taken toward the crimes of the Bush administration from the beginning--"bad stuff, but let's move on."   That consistency raises the question as to whether the report was truly independent or constructed (like the Torture memos) under White House Guidance.  Even if the White House did not direct the findings, If the Justice Dept finds no need for prosecution of these crimes they will have damaged the new Administration seriously because of the following implications: first, that the new Administration is trying to minimize the crimes committed by the prior administration so as to maintain its own options and standing among criminal elements within the US ruling elite.   Second, that the laws and Convention against torture can be disregarded by the US (much as Bush maintained).  Third, that the new Administration is reinforcing the Right's mantra against government, promoting impunity, and the idea that these people are above the law.  This then encourages common people to feel there is no way to achieve justice, and so, like Bush, the new Admin will end up encouraging lawlessness." - Marc Sapir

passage c/o George: The words of the US chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials, Justice Robert Jackson, are relevant. Jackson was adamant that the true test of what was done at Nuremberg would be the extent to which the Allied victors, including the US, applied these principles to themselves in future years. In his opening statement to the Court, Jackson placed the issue of 'victor's justice' in context: "We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our lips as well. We must summon such detachment and intellectual integrity to our task that this Trial will commend itself to posterity as fulfilling humanity's aspirations to do justice." Such "aspirations to do justice" included for Jackson applying the law equally and fairly to all. "If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes," he stated, "they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us." -- David Krieger, "The War on Iraq as Illegal and Illegitimate," http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2005/03/00_krieger_war-illegal-illegitimate.htm

Lawyers whose memos allowed not only torture and illegal spying but unlimited power for administrative branch must be investigated by a Special Prosecutor. Even not there is every reason to believe  these attorneys improperly colluded with the White House to craft justifications for illegal counterterrorist policies. - Frances Dunham

yes we must do something very vocal and very public and not be dissausded.  What about like the boots memorial  we do a field of paper maiche hands with blood dripping and the names of the torture advocates or likenesses attached? 
Other ideas? - PEhret

I wanted to share my thoughts about the May 6th, New York Times article Torture Memos: Inquiry Suggests No Prosecution. 

I'm just floored by the fact that some internal

inquiry by the Justice Department says that there will be no prosecution and as the way things look today, they're right.  Like who gave them the final word! It seems that this article is shaping the people to believe that, sanctions or disbarment, is the most the people should expect. But then that doesn't surprise me.

What has happened, regarding torture, is

disgusting, horrific and I thought, illegal.  The German counterparts to today's lawyers had to stand trial at Nuremberg but Yoo, Bybee etc are going on with their lives.  Again, i'm not surprised.

I think a lot of people are outraged but then that

outrage is tempered by jadedness.  It's like, "Sure we're upset, but

this sort of things happens all the time, throughout the history of this country. We can't change anything."

Glancing at the War Criminals Watch webpage, I

think what they're calling for is good, but I have a question in how does World Can't Wait fit into that? After reading the article, i was thinking that education and thus action was needed and I thought WCW should be on the forefront of this.  I also thought a more centralized action at some point in the future would be important. Mass independent political action to change the terms of the debate.

(I know things are planned on May 28th, the date

the govt is set to release more pictures. And my birthday no less, what a gift?!?) So it seems like this is a fluid situation. I'm just trying to wrap my head around these things.


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